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My friend and I were having a nerd lunch yesterday, talking about Iron Man’s crappy rogues gallery. It was extra funny because we were eating at a restaurant made famous by Swingers and there were a few minor celebrities around. As Hollywood did its thing, we wondered if Iron Man’s popularity wasn’t as high as it could have been due to his extraordinarily bad villains. Crimson Dynamo?!? The Mandarin?!? Fin Fang Foom?!?
Every hero needs a good villain to fight. Batman probably has the best assortment of baddies, which is one reason he’s globally popular. The X-Men have to deal with Magneto’s brand of mutant justice and a large portion of the world hating/fearing them. Heroes like The Flash and Daredevil have been elevated in popularity thanks to their villains. Heck, Flash’s adversaries call themselves “The Rogues”, while DD has edgy opponents like Bullseye, Elektra, and Kingpin.
Do you think villains make the hero? Does a comic-book protagonist need top-shelf baddies? Or can the hero win the hearts and minds of the public regardless of who he/she is fighting?
Hell yes villains make the hero and vice versa!!!
With no bad guys/girls the Hero is just a pompous jerk with a chip on his/her shoulder because there is no one to keep their egos in check. (Now switch the word hero with bad guys/girls).
That makes a lot of sense, I have always been more of a spider-man fan because I have always felt that his character is very relatable. Batman is not one of the superheros I really care for, but I do love the villains, and that is more what has attracted me to the movies. In all honesty I don't really think I have ever cared for any of the batman movies on the basis of batman himself, but by the villains he faced. Which really does make me think that the villain plays a vital role in bringing up the hero.
But I think background is also extremely important. I like spider-man because of his background. Likewise Superman and Batman have good background stories (in my opinion) or at least interesting myths and such. I have never felt like Iron Man had that. I feel like the Iron Man movie was mostly action with a pretty lame plot, actually. And I enjoyed it well enough, but Iron Man in general never seemed as prestigious as the others I mentioned and my theory is that it comes down to the background of the character.
Im not going to watch the ppv fight but Mayweather always finds a way to win.
Rita Repulsa < Power Rangers.
She had a Giant pig that ate everything. Instant win?? I think so.
@bsukenyan Iron Man's origin is more interesting than his villains, imo.
Skeletor>He Man
Cobra Commander>Luke
Mumm-Ra>Lion-O
Gargamel>Papa Smurf
I think you hit the point on why i don't like many of Marvel's characters. Iron Man has to have some help when it comes to selling his story, i.e. The Avengers and also the past Civil War and Siege series. The same thing goes for the Fantastic 4, Hulk, and Thor. They need some re-tooling like Geoff Johns and Co., have just done with Green Lantern and Flash. I think Iron Man does better in movies than comics it also helps that RDJ is doing an awesome job as Tony Stark.
I would give you a reason that Sugar Shane would be Money but i really don't want either of them to win but i really don't want Floyd to win, either. what a conundrum (sp?)
Mark Cuban's chances of holding an NBA Championship depends on how much he pays someone one but of his team actually winning one, idk maybe like 30 to 1. They're getting up there with age and Dirk seemed pretty iffy on whether he will stay or opt out.
@Arguello
Don't forget the cone boobs XD
If I had super powers I would trick everyone in to thinking I was the hero, when in reality I was also the villain. Once I was through terrorizing the public and knocking over banks I would fake the villains death… ya, I thought about that a lot as a kid.
@topic
DC and Marvel need to make a Bruce Wane and Tony Stark movie. I think the current cast for those two roles could make one funny movie.
@tokz_21 I just want to see David Stern hand Cuban the trophy. That would be such a magical moment.
I'll be posting thought on Mayweather/Mosley later today.
@rpad
What do you think Cuban would do if his team ever won???
>*
@tokz_21 I'd love to see him kiss Stern and say, "Thanks daddy!". I'd love to watch Stern pretend to smile while Cuban celebrated.
@Ray
It does seem like that from some things that I have read or seen before (admittedly I don't do tons of reading on any of these subjects). But just because Iron Man's origins are more interesting than his villain's origins does not mean he is actually interesting by default.
@rpad ha! i could imagine that or him having an expletive tirade, like " I won b*tch*s! It's mine! F**k you all I'm great! My team is great!" Then he would snatch it from Stern and run around oh and throw a chair somewhere.
@Ray
Tried the strawberry pancake stackers from ihop…it was awesomely delicious.
I'm just trying to find exceptions to the rule. I was gonna mention that Captain America is pretty weak yet very recognizable… but then I remembered Red Skull.
Who did the Hulk really go against?
Does this rule spread across all fiction?
Who is Wonder Woman's nemesis? (other than PMS)
@bsukenyan Sounds good, but not as evil as the cheesecake version.
@tokz_21 That would be cool if he gave Stern the Stone Cold Stunner after accepting the trophy.
@N8R Captain America actually came up in the conversation. After Red Skull it really drops off. Arnim Zola?!?
J'arlaxle > Drizz't
Artemis Entreri > Drizz't
@rpad haha! Also J.R. has to be there yelling, "STUNNER, STUNNER! OH MY GOD!"
also i take you didn't read the Civil War series huh, that series made me like Captain America more.
@n8r
for Hulk you just have the Abomination (sp?) after that who knows. I'm not much of a Hulk fan. I think that's why they piled him, Iron Man, Thor, Capt. America into the Avengers so they would have reasons to fight and have tie-in series to each of their serials.
@ tokz
In the interest of conversation, Wolverine did first appear in the Hulk comics… but I'm not sure if that counts.
@ Ray
Very true… but Red Skull was pretty damn awesome.
@RROD
thundercats blew ass period. What an awful cartoon. Besides….the random dinosaurs and scientists in the Herculoids were much cooler….LOL
@n8r
hmmm, would you consider Wolverine a villain for that issue? Wasn't all a miscommunication between him and the Hulk?
@tokz_21 Of course I read Civil War! That actually adds to the point. The most interesting enemies Captain American and Iron Man ever had were each other.
@rpad
I didn't want to bring that point up, unless you read it. or if anyone else didn't read it, that series was brilliantly written and made me like Capt America more.
@Ray or anyone else
If I use the amazon links to buy anything does the purchase have to be new or can it be used? Probably sounds like a stupid question, but you never know what kind of little stipulations businesses have about stuff.
@bsukenyan New or used doesn't matter. It just depends on who the seller is. Thanks for thinking of using my links though!
a lot of times characters who start off as villians become so popular, they become stars themselves
the punisher, wolverine and silver surfer started off as villians…didnt they?
punisher (amazing spider man 129) wolverine (hulk 180-181 and silver surfer..(fantastic 4 48)
Demonoid is letting members hand out invitations to others for a limited time
i cant give out that many, but if anyone needs a membership to demonoid, send your email to mr.pappagiorgio@hotmail.com…
as rick james would have said "first come, first served, bitches"
@Ray
Ok so the seller just has to be amazon then? I just know I want to try to make some of my purchases that will hopefully take place soon through those links and that it will actually 'count'.
@buskenyan Not necessarily. A lot of Amazon's third-party partners are eligible too. Just let me know when you buy and I can see the next day.
@Ray
Ok sounds good, I am going to try to get the Family Game Night disc through amazon, and hopefully I might be getting another DS soon. I am just not sure whether I want a DSi or another DS lite. There are plenty of pros and cons for each right now though!!
@Ray
If it is fulfilled by Amazon, will it count?
@Sandrock323 It should, yes.
Cool, you probably saw some random anime related purchases recently then.
Anybody watch the Derby today?? It was a good race, should make for a good Triple Crown to watch.