Here’s an excellent clip of WWE Champion The Miz on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. In addition to talking about wrestling and The Real World, The Miz throws some videogame talk in the mix. Obviously he’s on the cover of WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2011 (best writing ever!!!), but did you know that a young Mike Mizanin competed in the Nintendo World Championship regionals in Cleveland, Ohio?
And yes, one of the reasons I wanted to post this clip is because I know that some of you really hate The Miz. Ha!
Admittedly, the guy oozes charisma. And the bit about stealing the trophy from the little girl had me laughing out loud. I just wish I likes his ring work.
I stand by my statement that the Miz is upper midcard at best and is nowhere near worthy of the main strap.
Wow also never would have seen him on The Real World. I hate that show.
I don’t know who he is, but I have seen him hosting TMZ sometimes. I didn’t know he was a wresteler, makes sense that he had that belt on the show the other day.
I guarantee you’d know who “Stone Cold” Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, and John Cena were if you saw them. Get my point?
Yeah I know all of them because they were wrestling when I watched it (except John Cena, I have never seen him in anything but movies). I just don’t recall anyone named the Miz, but it has been years since I sat down and watched wrestling.
Your point is that it’s easier to recognize people that have been stars for more than 15 years than someone that has been pushed for a year? Uh…sure.
Also, he said himself that he's the most hated WWE champion ever and he's the most hated for a reason you know.
Uhmmm, you know he's a heel, right? If he's hated then he's doing his job. People are buying tickets, ordering PPVs, and watching RAW because they want to see him lose.
You know what I mean. I mean real hate heat. Most sites I’ve read are filled with people who think he don’t deserve it. I’ve also read that the locker room is against the Miz being champ as well.
So your opinion is all second hand. Uh…okay.
You know how I feel about him.
Yes, I completely understand that you don’t like him, but you also seem to be unable to be objective about him either. I’ve never liked Cena, but I understand what he contributes to WWE.
That’s not true. I really like the Miz, I just simply object to him being champ. His mic skills are impeccable and his character is great but he’s still not worthy to be champ. I have a major issue with the WWE making the championship useless by passing it around to the next flavor of the month every other month. Title changes are not what they used to be because of this and you know it. I’d rather Cena or Orton hold the title for a whole year like Hogan and the Hitman did than to see it passed around like an STD. Title changes used to a big deal and newsworthy but not now when you are only giving an upper midcard guy the belt to get him over to the next level. The title is a joke now and you know it.
You get my point. No matter how long and hard he gets pushed he will never be a household name like the worthy champions that I mentioned above.
No, your point is pretty meaningless. Of course he’s not as recognizable as wrestlers that have been stars for 15 years. What wrestler that has only been getting pushed for a year is more recognizable than the ones you mentioned?
I understand that but my point is they can push the Miz for 15 years as well and he still won’t be as recognizable as those guys.
That is not a point. You are speculating, unless you have precognitive powers.
Ok, Alex Riley.
When "Stunning" Steve Austin was stuck as a mid-carder in WCW, did you know that he'd become one of the biggest stars in the business and sell more merchandise than Hulk Hogan?
No, I didn't but there's a big difference. Austin rose to main event status on his own and THEN the WWE gave him the strap when he DESERVED it. Notice that they didn't give him the strap when he was the Ringmaster to help get him over to the next level.
(Without jumping too deep into this) Making an argument about how long wrestlers are pushed making them “recognizable” doesn’t really compute. I think that certain characters/wrestlers transcend their profession. It’s not just about how the crowd accepts them, but how they branch out beyond wrestling.
HHH may have won the belt a dozen or so times over the past decade, but he’ll never be Hulk Hogan or Stone Cold. He doesn’t connect in the same way outside of wrestling. Ask a layman who Kevin Nash/Diesel is. Or Scott Hall/Razor Ramon. They don’t know. But they know who The Rock is. Or Brett Hart. Or Hulk Hogan. I’d even argue that outside of wrestling circles, Ric Flair is a relative unknown as compared to some of the other guys mentioned, and NO ONE has been pushed more than Ric Flair.
Where I disagree with RROD is that The Miz has an advantage being somewhat recognizable from other mediums first. But That doesn’t mean I like his ring work, or think he’s ready to be champion.
Did you know that Derek Jeter is more recognizable than Robinson Cano?
But don't you think that's more about signature moments than longevity? David Tyree is more recognizable than Robby Cano, cause Cano's never really had a signature moment on the big stage. Jeter's most recognizable for one or two defensive plays in the World Series.
Well, that's the thing. The Miz has only been on the upper half of the card for a little over a year. Nobody knows how he's going to develop. Saying he won't be as recognizable Taker, Austin, or The Rock is premature. Nobody knows.
I agree. But even then, longevity only leads to extra opportunities. There are some guys who make a mark instantly, and others who get dozens of chances and never grab hold.
What wrestler made a mark instantly? Certainly none of the ones RROD mentioned above. As I mentioned, Austin was a mid-carder in WCW as Stunning Steve. The Rock failed as a face when he was Rocky Maivia. 'Taker was a mid-carder at best when he was Texas Red, The Punisher, The Master of Pain, and Mean Mark Callous.
I wasn't speaking specifically about wrestlers. You used Derek Jeter as an example. If you look at many different types of entertainment (such as sports), plenty of unknowns can make it big right away.
Who the hell is Robinson Cano?
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@RRODizHere So is your problem with The Miz or how titles are handled? That’s just how the business is these days. When was the last time a title was held for more than a year?
Yes, that’s how it is now but that’s also why title changes mean absolutely nothing now as well. It like they give an upper midcarder the title as an experiment. “Let’s give the title to Jack Swagger and see what happens. Well that didn’t work so who’s next, Ziggler? Cody Rhodes? McIntyre?” Why do they have to put the belt on all of these guys. Back in the day there were tons of guys that were great but never got a shot at the title nor did they need it. Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, and Jake the Snake to name a few. Now you can win a MITB match and cash it in on a champ who is already beaten and we have a new champ.
Part of the reason title changes are more frequent is because there's more programming than when Perfect, Rude, and Jake wrestled. Those guys didn't have monthly PPVs for most of their primes. They didn't have two major and two minor weekly shows. There's more programming and people have shorter attention spans. I don't think you can one-year reigns anymore.
@RRODizHere Again, you lack objectivity. It’s not as if The Miz has been in the WWE for a year. He has worked hard. WWE didn’t even want him in the ring so they made him a SmackDown announcer. He kept pushing and had a successful tag run with Morrison. The team was split and everyone thought that Morrison would emerge as the star. Instead, The Miz got more of a reaction than Morrison ever did. He has shown that he can get heat and help make wrestlers bigger. For whatever reason, you’re not acknowledging any of this.
I agree with his ability to draw heat but who did he make bigger? The pleasure was all his when Orton agreed to pass the torch and make him bigger.
Danielson and Riley. Obviously I'm a big Danielson fan, but he definitely got the rub from The Miz.